Friday, May 25, 2007

Reptile Conspiracy Theories

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Collect your children and run for cover. Today we're going to look at the terrifying tale that says a race of tall reptilian beings lives among us, and even runs our government.

The concept of reptilian beings on Earth is a surprisingly widespread conspiracy theory, in which the US government and major public companies are complicit in a vast worldwide network of underground bases housing a large population of humanoid reptilian creatures called Reptoids. They speak English and are involved in every major government and corporate decision. They are variously said to either disguise themselves or actually shape-shift into humans, where they have public lives in positions of national importance. Some say the Reptoids are of extraterrestrial origin, and some say they are native to Earth, having developed intelligence before the primates, and have been secretly running things all along.

I first heard of reptilians when planning a trip to Mt. Shasta as a youth. Shasta is one of our fourteeners here in California. As I discovered, it's also something of a sacred hotbed for a whole range of New Age traditions. It not only has a lot of Native American spiritual history, it also figures prominently for any number of modern pagan religions. Shasta is said to be full of secret caverns, jewel encrusted tunnels, and whole subterranean civilizations peopled with all sorts of exotic races. Most notably, it's the home of the Lemurians, an ancient race whose original continent called Mu sank and now make their home inside the mountain, in the great five-level city of Telos. Lemurians, who are tall, white-cloaked beings speaking English but with a British accent, employ invisible four-foot-tall beings called Guardians to protect their city. Bigfoots are also said to populate Shasta. Among all this exotic company, Reptoids would hardly be noticed. The story goes that Reptoids use Mt. Shasta as one of the numerous entrances to their huge underground network of bases.

Reptoids are said to serve at least one very useful purpose: They are sworn enemies of the gray aliens, and may well serve to be humanity's last line of defense against this threat. Among the gray aliens' holdings provided them by the US government is a large underground base at Dulce, New Mexico. Some 18,000 grays are said to reside on level 5 of the base, and they perform terrible genetic experiments on humans on levels 6 and 7. Reptilian beings have been caught trying to acquire information about the Dulce base.

The most outspoken proponent of the conspiracy theory that reptilian beings in disguise are actually running our planet is David Ickes, whose book "The Biggest Secret" reveals information like this:

Then there are the experiences of Cathy O'Brien, the mind controlled slave of the United States government for more than 25 years... She was sexually abused as a child and as an adult by a stream of famous people named in her book. Among them were the US Presidents, Gerald Ford, Bill Clinton and, most appallingly, George Bush, a major player in the Brotherhood, as my books and others have long exposed. It was Bush, a pedophile and serial killer, who regularly abused and raped Cathy's daughter, Kelly O'Brien, as a toddler before her mother's courageous exposure of these staggering events forced the authorities to remove Kelly from the mind control programme known as Project Monarch.

This is a fair sample of most of Ickes' evidence that reptilian beings have taken over our government. Virtually any statement that Ickes makes is easily falsified by minimal research if not simple common sense, but since his is a conspiracy theory, any evidence against it is simply regarded as evidence proving the conspiracy. Don't laugh: Ickes sells a lot of these books. A lot of people believe this stuff.

Where did all of these stories come from? The earliest reference I've come across is from a Los Angeles Times news story from January 29, 1934, which is available from the Los Angeles Times archives. Geophysical mining engineer G. Warren Shufelt had been using "radio x-ray" and had discovered subterranean labyrinths beneath the city of Los Angeles, including pockets of pure gold, and taken x-ray pictures of many of the chambers. Somehow Shufelt met with a man named L. Macklin, said to go by the Hopi Indian name of Little Chief Greenleaf. Macklin told Shufelt of a Hopi legend of Lizard People, an advanced race, who built the city beneath Los Angeles to escape surface catastrophes some 5000 years ago. Their history was kept on gold tablets. It sounded like Shufelt had struck paydirt — almost. He still had to dig it up. Shufelt's crew dug a shaft 250 feet deep, well below the water table, which of course promptly filled with water, and that's where the story came to an end.

So I began looking into the various elements from the LA Times story. First on the list was Shufelt's "radio x-ray" device. Times reporter Jean Bosquet described it:

Shufelt's radio device consists chiefly of a cylindrical glass case inside which a plummet attached to a copper wire held by the engineer sways continually, pointing, he asserts, toward minerals or tunnels below the surface of the ground, and then revolves when over the mineral or swings in prolongation of the tunnel when above the excavation.

So, it turns out, Shufelt's device has little to do with either radio or x-rays and more to do with a common dowsing pendulum. This was all he had to guide his elaborate drawing of the catacomb layout, which you can see online at Skeptoid.com, along with a picture of Shufelt using his dowsing pendulum.

Shufelt stated he has taken "x-ray pictures" of thirty seven such tablets, three of which have their southwest corners cut off. "My radio x-ray pictures of tunnels and rooms, which are subsurface voids, and of gold pictures with perfect corners, sides and ends, are scientific proof of their existence," Shufelt said.

Shufelt's dowsing results notwithstanding, parts of the story seem unlikely. Gold, and metallurgy in general, was unknown among the Hopi until the mid 1700's. So was chemistry, but Macklin said that the Lizard People "perfected a chemical solution by which they bored underground without removing earth and rock."

I did make a pretty thorough effort to track down any such Hopi legend, but came up empty handed, not counting numerous modern references to Mt. Shasta and the Los Angeles catacomb story. I did find a "Lizard clan" referenced in several Hopi stories, but always among other clans (the Spider clan, the Bear clan), and never any references to underground cities, golden tablets, or any other elements from Shufelt's story. Obviously, my failure to find any evidence of such a legend doesn't prove anything: Native American legends were traditionally passed by word of mouth and never were written down, the only exceptions being those that made it into modern storybook collections. I was also unable to find a man named either L. Macklin or Little Chief Greenleaf in the public birth and death certificate databases for the Hopi Reservation in the Navajo Nation Court, but again, all this proves is that I didn't find it.

If Shufelt's dowsing misadventures truly were the genesis of modern Reptoid legends, there is an ironic aspect. Macklin never said that there was anything reptilian about the Lizard clan, they were simply one subculture of the Hopi, though just as human as anyone else. According to the story Macklin told Shufelt:

The Lizard People, the legend has it, regarded the lizard as the symbol of long life. Their city is laid out like a lizard, according to the legend, its tail to the southwest ... its head to the northeast.

Most likely, this tall tale from the early days of Los Angeles was little more than an effort by Shufelt to interest investors in his treasure hunt, in which he no doubt believed wholeheartedly. As for Macklin? Who knows, Shufelt could have made him up, or he could have been a real guy, possibly even a real Hopi, and may have even told a genuine — if undocumented — Hopi legend. What Shufelt didn't know was that his little gem in the Los Angeles Times was the kickoff for a whole generation of one of our most bizarre (and entertaining) urban legends. - source

100 comments:

Anonymous said...

I have seen them while on mushrooms...more than once

Chus said...

Amidst the subtle cerebral circumvention of the gullible populace, through a multitude of manipulated mediums, lies one of the most diabolical atrocities perpetrated upon a segment of the human race; a form of systematic mind control which has permeated every aspect of society for almost fifty years.To objectively ascertain the following, one may need to re-examine preconceived ideologies relating to the dualistic nature of mankind.
READ MORE!

Anonymous said...

Well first, this story rambles about like a drunk, catching moments of clarity only to stumble back into a nonsensical and comical haze. Second, I am a Hopi Indian and let me say that there has never been a Little Chief Greenleaf...ever. It is the inclusion of 'Greenleaf' that seems so comical to me as a native. Akin to a non-indian or quasi-native 'shamen' who is selling dreamweavers or 'authentic' native american jewelry(made in Mexico) at a generic New Age fair by recounting how they learned to make dreamweavers from a real shamen (who was in reality a disillusioned grad student from Brown named Tina) and how jewelry making was a gift to the indians from Father Lightening Bear. All laughable because I myself just made those names up.

The clan system is another item all together. If you had bothered to ditch this Little Chief Greenleaf (marijuana reference? Very hippy-dippy) theory and concentrate more on the actual creation stories of the Navajo and Hopi, well you might have something there more authentic than this rotten 'apple'.

Anonymous said...

All this reptilian scare mongering is no different to the fear of hell fire by Christianity, Islam or Judaism or the end of the world by Nostradamus and Niberu fanatics. The people propogating this theory are no different to the people who they claim they are against. The Illuminati, the Freemasons, the reptilians the religious extremists are all the same people fooling the masses while making millions from them and getting them to do their biddinjg as they prey on their ignorance. Zecharia Sitchin, David Ike, the South African Shaman make a good living frightening people with their reptiliamn nonsense. I read in a forum recently that the inspirational poet and motivational writer Aitoro is supposedly a reptilian or descendent. If he is a reptile then we all are including Ike and Sitchin. Read his works he doesn't scare you with religion, new age philosophy or alien theories he says get off your arse and stay off it! I think that is what we all need to be doing rather than worrying about rubber aliens out of a 1960s horror movie.

cotesworth said...

i guess anyone on shrooms, weed or salvia could make this up

Anonymous said...

You pathetic fucking assholes, get a twating life......Fuck you all.

Anonymous said...

Steve is that you ? Beware there watching.......

Selador said...

It's a common belief that there is more going on in this world than anyone could possibly know. I'm sure most of us can agree that not everything is as it seems, but really, what does it matter? Either these things do exist or they don't. Tomorrow you will wake up, eat breakfast, and meander about your day as usual. Sure this stuff can be fun to think about, but keep in mind that's all it is. Fun food for thought. Becoming hostile for or against these claims is ridiculous. Let people enjoy the possibilities of the universe, and believe what you will.

WowSecurity said...

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WOWS is an open society beyond politics with two main elements.

The first is delegations from different cultures, religions, international organisations, countries and companies*. The delegates work together continuously. The working process can be followed and observed by internet users around the world. Monitoring, observation is continuous during the working hours as in a "Big brother-show". A delay is used in the broadcast of the "show" for security reasons. WOWS uses a system similar to that of the free online dynamic encyclopaedia: Wikipedia, to improve the efficiency of work. The information base will be approved by delegates.

The other element of WOWS is the registered users who can access the database. The users also have a voting system through which they are able to determine (influence) the priority of a certain topic emerging during work.

Some income is required from TV stations who want to use any part of the visual or text based data made by WOWS. *Companies can use the logos and trademarks of WOWS if they have delegates, they are registered, and paid for a membership fee. The main focus areas to be discussed and researched are the followings:

Without political reasons, what are the main problems? With the cooperation of people from around the world, what are the possibilities?

-Ancient Knowledge & Science Today: What's behind the scenes? Are there so many secrets, or only a great one? There is a lot of reliable information on the internet about technologically advanced ancient cultures who had also advanced knowledge about natural healing, sacred geometry, etc. There are also so many publications and videos about UFOs and paranormal symptoms, etc. Is there any secret knowledge coded into different cultures? Opinions required from the delegates!

-Technological Singularity, Human Cultural Evolution: The time for Technological singularity is here.* What we can do to be prepared? Economic aspects, potential dangers, accelerating change, human cultural evolution. Which is the best way to avoid conflicts? Opinions of religious people and scientists required!

* Technological singularity is a theoretical future point of unprecedented technological progress, caused in part by the ability of machines to improve themselves using artificial intelligence.

-Global Threats to life on Planet Earth: Dangerous meteors, comets, other celestial bodies, danger from the outer space. Information about 2012 required (the next end of the world theory).

-Online Data Analysis of the World: Everybody wants to know everything about our Planet! Up-to-date information charts, provided by WOWS. We must share bad news with people, to minimise the effects. Online world map of the following: starvation, epidemics, disease, catastrophes, big accidents, etc. (level of the displays must be defined by registered users of WOWS)

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Eileen said...

Chus! Get back on your meds dude. And put away the thesaurus.

Eileen said...

Wow, I always have to wonder at why modern people have this pre-conceived idea that human cultures that came before us were somehow less intelligent. They were fully evolved humans with the same brain capacity as us and had thousands of years to come up with lots of cool stuff. And no TV or internet to distract them. It does not in any way seem to me that the fact that they had developed some higher math can be used as evidence of alien inhabitants. You know, many famous mathematicians are said to have done some amazing things at very young ages (who was it whose room was wallpapered with a calculus book to save money and he read and understood it at age 6?). I would gander that there were genius minds amongs the ancient human cultures in at least the same proportion as there are found in ours.

Anonymous said...

My dick is a reptilian shapeshifter

Anonymous said...

I believe in reptilian shapeshifters, before the word came to be known as shapeshifters...way back 30 yrs. when I was standing outside my house and looking over our gate...not far from me there is this water tank about 4 meters high with has a walk path around the tank I saw clearly with my two eyes a big winged man just landed on top of the water tank. It took only a 3-5 seconds for it to change...it just folded it wings and it was man. I won't forget that day. Now I came across all this blogs about shapeshfiters ...now I believe it is true.

Anonymous said...

oOh really you saw this big winged reptile man, that in three seconds became human? Ok, what did he do after that, did he just hang out on a water tank all day, or were you smart enough to yell, yo what the fuck are you? Oh let me guess you were so scared you ran inside and hide.....Convenient. Next time make the story a little more believable, and the spelling usually helps too bud. Retards.

Anonymous said...

Chus, if you didn't use all of those seemingly intelligent words to make you look smart, then someone may actually be able to understand what you are saying. Nice try, but even the best writers don't try to make themselves look smart by pairing awkward words together.
As for substance, after sifting through the fluff, I agree with you.

Anonymous said...

I am a reptilian shapshifter...and let me tell you not all of us are evil, I just want to fit in and be loved but your all a bunch of racists and some of you dont even believe we're real! well this planet is shit and im goin home! suck my leathery repillian balls!

Michael said...

Eileen is the closest the truth. Humans have amazing capacity to create genial things. I think the ancient people were brilliant thinkers, had great adaptability skills and less confused than we are nowadays. All ancient cultures around the world have very specific features which make them special. They have no same origin, maybe there was some influence little bit. Let's not make history just a doom counting of one fascistic rule of some reptites. Soooo stupid!!! (Do you really believe that. This David Icke, I was listening to him just once and I immediatly knew he's lying, it's obvious). There are real problems in this world today, but alliens are not the case. We are and always were just intelligent humans trying to live on this earth and adapt.

BrhNeg said...

I saw a Lizardman in 1978, was dozing on my bed, and he appeared at the window, hands with claws, pointed ears, looking at me with a mixture of amusement and compassion. I was 15 at the time.

Anonymous said...

Our message to the humans will blend in unseen, unacknowledged as if it was never made. Blind stupid humans.

Anonymous said...

I am Reptilian.. i dont "shape shift" into a reptile, but mostly every person i encounter says i look exactly like a relative or best friend of theirs. i see UFOs all the time and am visited regularly.. they allow me to do pretty much anything i want, and i am disgusted with every human i know... yet I see myself as righteously WICKED and my IQ is 146, <==if you even give a shit or even fucking believe in any of this! ---those of you who doubt us or laugh at this i regard as "knowledge peasants"

Anonymous said...

can't we all just get along? ? ?

Anonymous said...

well the reptilians r makin a plan to enslave us n some political issue or make the U.S. like hell. well its working, the 911 was a false flag we or the reptilians did it so we can start a war with Iran, the documents of that a drones killed civilians when the military or the U.S goverment say there tryin to attack alqada or however u spell it. LOOK ALIVE PPL> they asshole(reptilians) r makin this world or tryin to make into a war world 3. the oil spill is just a cover up so the ppl can focus on that problem while they r still goin to there plans into makin this world hell. im just 15 n i can c wats happening. oh n if read the bible it will tell u wat happening 2. im not scared of the reptilians at all long story y.

Jay Fr Cc said...

I have an I.Q. Of 178, and to my knowledge, I'm still human. Although my elbows have been starting to dry and the skin is starting to feel reptilian. Is this the start of my transformation? Will I be able to "shapeshift" back with a bottle of Jergen's? Questions that you can obviously see are of real concern to me. Although I have yet to be put in a position of power or great influence, I'm eagerly anticipating the day my "real" reptilian father shows up and leads Me to my new life of unimaginable power. Until that day, I guess I'll have to keep the 9 to 5 grind up. So dad, if you're out there, I think I'm ready, come get me. My job sucks and my elbows are itchy, help me solve two problems at once! And if you are still reading this, in hopes of some great information that will prove the existance of a race of lizard people living in the shadows here on earth, please do me a small favor: move out of your parent's basement and get a life! (yes my iq is correct, everything else, decide for yourself......morons)

Anonymous said...

Check out this You Tube video, it is a hip hop song about Reptilian Shapeshifters! The artists did a great job with the song!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5svZRakloHU

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Reptilian said...

I have seen videos of these reptilians being news reporters with sliced eyes and excessive blinking, at first thought it was edited, although i saw the same images on live hd tv, watching the news and all of the reporters blink excessively and had sliced eyes, it's freaky

Anonymous said...

There are more worlds in the cosmos than grains of sand on Earth. Rather than making meaningless, vulgar comments you will be wise to open up your awareness and cease being fearful of the unknown. An open minded search for Truth does not imply gullability. A great teacher has said "become as little children" in order to enter into a higher vibration of Life and " know the Truth and the Truth shall set you free. (free from your own ignorance which has enslaved you)

Anonymous said...

funny how all "aliens" are always built just like humans are...even the "shape-shifters"....get your own fucking shape, wannabees.

Anonymous said...

Wow, I am terrified that there r so many stupid people that believe in this stuff. I am easily more concerned of these retarded "believers" forming some sort of organized group that has influence than any lizard people.

Anonymous said...

Wow, I am terrified that there r so many stupid people that believe in this stuff. I am easily more concerned of these retarded "believers" forming some sort of organized group that has influence than any lizard people.

Anonymous said...

I am a reptilian shifter. I have to do my job or face the fate of other reptilians that have turned and helped the meat. I am sympathetic to you people, I watch people just go about there daily lives, without any idea what's happening behind the scenes. My people are taking over. There is a reason Obama is trying to make people more gov't dependent. The gov't is run by my kind, once we finish making the meat dependent that's when the sacrifices start. (There is a reason I keep calling humans meat, that is what you are a food source that's why some murders are never solved.) Please all I want to say is be very careful. I am sympathetic but, not all of my kind are. Watch your back and be well.

Anonymous said...

What a load of bollocks!

Anonymous said...

YEAH THIS GUY DID RAMBLE A LITTLE BUT IDK MAN THIS STUFF COULD BE REAL.. I THINK REPTILIANS ARE JUST MAD FOR POWER.

Anonymous said...

Power To The Primates! which sounds alot like the word “primitive” doesn't it, Why would we humans want to associate ourselves with a word like primitive? Now your thinking outside the box.

Anonymous said...

Hahahahaha damn the Chernobyl incident. Those damn babies are coming out more and more deformed by the generation :)

Never knew they'd grow scales!

Anonymous said...

All of this is news. Whether it is true or not is something most cannot find a clear answer. One religious entity stated that his grand baby girl died on Christmas eve 1994 of heart problems. Says it was God's sing against the 'harlot church' in the book of revelations in the bible. Is he a reptilian? Lower astral? David R. Hawkins states that the book of revelations is lower astral origin. Not from Jesus. He says it is hallucinations. This is in his book Power vs. Force. If he is right then this is a serious strike on Christianity and it's prophets. The Christian psychic leaders who should be able to know this stuff by clairvoyance, ect. If it is not true then fine. If it is then what are they hiding? And why? With the world and America heading downhill so fast I have to wonder what we might have to endure 'soon' if Icke and Hawkins are right. Like these 'Christian' leaders raping others. Murders, pedaphiles, baby killers, their own children. Little girls die, little boys raped. "BY THEIR FRUIT YOU WILL KNOW THEM." Calibrations tell all. Their lives even more. "BORN IN SIN, COME ON IN. HSSSSSSS"
(been watching to many movies.) first quite Jesus, the bible. second quote Andre Linoge (legion) Stephen King's movie Storm of the Century.

Anonymous said...

i believe! the government is slowly but surely becoming communist controlly every single aspect of out lives even though this country was founded on freedom. maybe presidents are kidnapped then a reptilian shapeshifter takes his place? just throwin out ideas here..

God said...

when i created shapeshifting reptiles i didnt intend for you fucking people to be nosy and find out. MIND YOUR OWN BUISINESS! dont you people have better things to worry about? like feeding your pet chinchilla that i created for you all to love and cherish? the reptiles are doing a great fucking job at running amerrrica, much better than you all. remember pearl harbor? yeah. that wasnt no reptile, that was humans. so quit whining and go wash your arms.

Anonymous said...

this is real!! truly believe in it! youtube George bush reptilian. there are also other clips of reptiles slipping(their eyes blink differently). Its very true. Also George Bush Sr is one of them. He also made an announcement during presidency that no one knew what he was talking about........if you hear it today...you will know!!!

6688846993 said...

In Mortal Kombat [A Game] There's a character named Reptile,and he can transform back in forth from a Human to a Reptile. Do you guys think this has anything to do with anything?

Anonymous said...

Like the book of Revelations being hallucinagenic, Mount Shasta is near the city of Weed. Hmmm. Like Storm of the Century. "I think you've been smoking a little of what you've been selling there Pete." Shut up Hatch. Don't talk about what you don't know." Takes one to know one. (can't we all just get along?)
Okay, seriously folks. If the lizards are there fine. David Icke said they are not all bad. Some are trying to help us. (good luck figuring out which ones). And there is not anything we can do about it. (except try to just get along).

Anonymous said...

For those of you that don’t think that there is no such thing as aliens, you need to wake up. There have been reptilians living amongst us for thousands of years, and there’s countless evidence to prove it. This video does a pretty good job of giving you a rough idea of what the Draconians are and how long they’ve been here. Their disguises utilize technology that is much more advanced than the technology that is available to the general public (which is usually 50 to 100 years behind what the human elite organizations such as DARPA have), but it is still not infallible. There have been many instances caught on tape when the moving features of their face (mouth and eyes) have a slight lag time to recalibrate to the sudden change in movement. Hence the appearances of reptilian eyes or tongues for split seconds. One of my buddies who also (happens to be quite adept in regards to the reptilians and what they’re all about) was filming a city council meeting for ventura county when he caught something like this. He posted some of the pictures at his website (they’re at http://anxiety.org if you want to check them out) although the quality isn’t as good as the one shot by the news network.

Anonymous said...

Listen!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URr_0H29ok4&feature=related
2:44

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhfL9KJKOcw
4:40

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Od4aF9_Yy1Y
2:32

Anonymous said...

It makes Biological sense... Reptiles preceed Mammals by around 100 million years, if Reptiles evolved into an upright sentient form I believe they would have to hide to exist in the world of the Human. Think about it, Chameleons can change colour, imagine a super reptiles capability... If our primative ancestors didnt already drive them into hiding todays world would.... Just saying this theory has some Scientific ground.

Anonymous said...

seems a bit of a fucking hollow theory with little to no imperical evidence to back this up. if a reptillian person died, surely there would be ONE autopsy or medical record?

Anonymous said...

most of the people commenting on here are simple minded morons. you believe what the powers that be and media tells you while knocking anything new or 'crazy' sounding. You are little more than sheeple and are a major part of the problem with the world today. Open up your tiny little minds.

piip6 said...

This is one of 2 things.....perhaps they are humans with left-over DNA, cause many years ago we came from fish, reptiles and apes. (According to science) However, it is extremely unlikely that they are humans with left-over DNA. Then in this case, perhaps they are Aliens. But this isn`t any harm, they seem to be friendly. But there are a couple of Mermaids and Sirens around still, i think.

Anonymous said...

Well, I guess the fictional story about reptilian shapeshifters is no more unrealistic than the entire human race springing forth from one man breeding with one woman, and then perpetuating incestuous relationships thereafter to continue spawning new kids. Or the even more fantastical piece of fiction that has us believing that a woman miraculously got knocked up, even though a virgin, and gave birth to a kid that no one even paid any attention to until he was 30 and sprouting a heap of heretical crap to the word in his guise as a "prophet"

Yet billions of people believe those fictional tales, so why not this one too?

People have been searching for someone - anyone or anything - else to worship for aeons, because it absolves them from the need to take responsibility for their own failings.

Let's face it - if it's God's will that we're to be poor, stupid, ugly, slaves, pets, whatever - what a lovely excuse not to try and improve one's own situation in life.

Fools

Anonymous said...

You are obviously all fucking stupid, I have never seen such amusing bullshit in all my life. Its amazing that aliens only land in the USA and other countries that sell books by profiteering people like David Icke. He is laughing all the way to the bank.The reptilians, shape shifters and aliens don't exist. RETARDS!!!!

Anonymous said...

Some quite entertaining comments...beginning with the mushrooms quip! That gutbuster had me reading further all by itself! But on a slightly more serious and logical note, Reptilian controversies aside, it really isn't too far-fetched to consider that alien involvement in our evolution is at least a possibility.

Considering just the mathematics alone, assuming there are not other intelligent species in our universe is practically an impossibility. Our imaginations and invention of Science Fiction Literature, at the very least, further allow us to contemplate the possiblities and perhaps this is where alot of our legends and deities have been derived from.

Picture, if you will, an off-world civilization which has become so advanced that, in its unrelentless search for knowledge (probably a common thread of intelligent beings) realizes that perhaps the best and most time-efficient way to gather knowledge is to populate as many planets as they could. There would be no need to stay and nurture and maybe even see that as being prohibitive to its evolution. To compare, on a much smaller and more primitive scale, even the inhabitants of our small planet have learned from other cultures who have each evolved in their own ways to adapt to their surroundings and resources. Similarly, This alien race places a very high value in originality from either trial and error or studying their own history and evolution and, consequently, simply drops the seed, and maybe a few living resources to increase the odds of the seed's lifelong survival, and just lets the "chips fall where they may", as it were. Having learned to overcome obstacles in the way they have already would be a very difficult thing to avoid repeating and, if you think about it, the end result of the technologies would probably end up being much the same as they have already accomplished and work against the laws of original develpment. Literally, it would be a waste of millions of years of advancement that the natural evolution would come up with otherwise.

So maybe it went something like this: One group of travellers from this race goes around to inhabitable planets and drops a seed and moves on to another - and another - and another - and so on - forever, making a enormous circle for endless generations. Meanwhile, other travellers go around to gather knowledge from the first planet they dropped a seed on millions of years ago and then moves on to the next, and so on forever, making another giant circle, thus gatherinng information unique to each planet's inhabitant's uses of available resources, original development, etc. Much of the information gathered may be redundant but once in a while, almost undoubtedly, something new which they would have never thought of would be discovered and, combined with their already undescribedly huge libray of knowledge, would better their technological advancement. Many new ideas, ranging from forms of communication and ways of thinking to the mastering of resources which they may have never even had an abundance of before, but now do have access to, if they wish.

Sure, this sounds like a ridiculously huge undertaking but not only would they have had millions or even billions of years to come up with this plan but it is something I can see even us coming up with ourselves, given thousands of more years to contemplate.

Not only is it fun to think about, but what is really great about the ideas which come about through Science Fiction is that until they can be proven without a doubt to be untrue, they still may be true! So come on all you Naysayers out there, prove me wrong so I can dump this idea and come up with a completely new and original one.

It must be those mushrooms I took...

Anonymous said...

I want some of the crack you are on.

Anonymous said...

I bought one of Icke's books mistaking it for a legitmate book addressing conspiracy-did not take long for the crazy to emerge.

Anonymous said...

Reading "The Biggest Secret" now... So far:

Factual evidence presented: zero
Reliable sources quoted: zero
Chicks who will do me because I've read David Icke: coincidentally, zero...

Wasting my time with this beautifully fantastic bullshit and having nightmares about reptilians for a week: Priceless

Anonymous said...

i have seen one in class. he was my professor hahaha blinked his iris's right at me sideways. like the cephalopod on men in black with will smith.

Anonymous said...

Kept me Entertained for at least 20mins on & off, love the theories and truths....and the bullsh1t.

Anonymous said...

Dear coteswroth, I'm pretty sure all of these conspiracy believers are on mushrooms or salvia, or some other crazy hallucinogens, but I dont think they are on weed, pot heads would just sit there laughing about this stupid conspiracy..

Anonymous said...

Ce sera sera, whatever will be will be. Or if you prefer I'll quote Roger Waters " What God wants, God gets, God help us all. People why don't we just wait and see. There is not much we can do about it anyways so just live that's all. Be kind, be helpful and care and you will be alright.

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Anonymous said...

There are things bigger than we understand. All this incessent mongering is not going to solve the issue. We should be working in unity to discover the truth. I've read all 58 comments and they all have a common synchronicity (apart from the silly ones made by skeptical individuals). they are but pieces of a puzzle, take what you hear with a grain of salt and paint a metaphorical picture as a whole. You cant just believe what your hear its like a game of chinese whispers. I quite like what chus said with humans and their preconcieved ideologies in reference to dualistic nature, as we have all (including myself) been conditioned and indoctrinated at some time to different degrees to believe one or the other. But the true reality is that everything is one. the only fools are ones who cant concieve or comprehend this notion. Ive been there done that and im only 18. So sad is the materialistic world we live in, its consumes everything. And the ego has never been more dangerous than ever especially in this technological and digital based society. and the end of the day no one is right or wrong, sounds like a fucking riddle but its simplicity in itself. interpretation is the only factor which alters the equation.

Anonymous said...

"Anonymous", the last entity to speak, has more wisdom than all of your posts. An 18-year old young man is wise enough to admit that he does not have the answers- and recognizes the significance and potential detriment of the "ego". Few of you can do the same. Many speak of demons- but when you apply the adj "extra-terrestrial" to it, it becomes hard to beleive? There are scientists- highly educated and respected- who beleive this possibility. Is all of your internet porn getting this boring? Then stay away from websites you cannot understand- if you don't have an open mind, then forget about the concept of knowledge, because you will only be mislead by your own stagnate intellect.

Heath Miller said...

I think whoever written this was high... naw' mean!

Anonymous said...

I'm a reptillian shapeshifter, scaley, cold blooded and have a 12 inch tongue. Looking for any single lizardetts with a passion for climbing up walls, breathing fire and ready for lizardy love.

Anonymous said...

You all will be hearing from us soon. But we are not your arch enemy. Without us, the incompetent and futile race of humans would be squandered by the greys. Us, the reptilians, will forever impede their attack on earth.

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Anonymous said...

I'm very convinced of some kind of conspiracy theory happening within this world or out? Man kind and the people who aim to controll it, has always kept secrets and manipulated truths, whether its the origin of religion, the real story behind Jesus Christ, the crusades, the afghan/Iraqi war any world conflict or any f*#@ed up thing that happens or has happened on this earth, something f*#@ing dodgy is going on, but its cowardly because they are doing it behind closed doors, they are too scared to confront us and say, hey, this is our agender, this is wat really happened or happens and this is wat you can't do about it.

I mean its like these f#*@ing powerful almighty f@#*ing lizards should be kicking major human ass, if they are as intelligent and powerful as the theorists claim. Why the F*#@ are they hiding like pussy cats when the world can almost apparently see them????????

I mean all these F**#ing symbles in movies and songs! The Hollywood studio and star system etc the pop stars of today, Gaga, rihanna, beyonce etc. Wtf!!! Wat is goin on. And not to say any of this is false or far fetched or true?, but why if they or these bastards controlling the world and everything in it, are forums and websites like this allowed to exist and uncover and share this info???????? *bells are ringing in my head* David icke, love his stuff, he has me going from an intended 5 minute flick through, to an incredible 5 hour reading frenzy,(I may concider adapting he's work for a well dramatized screen play, starring Leonardo di caprio) watch this space... Lool no word of a lie.

So why????
Why is this this shit not checked and combated and why aren't these whistle blowers killed/ assassinated as we no the monarchy and world leaders do or are capable of. Sure they probably dnt want the publicity, but I'm sure the can fake an autopsy n just say oh, he had a bad heart condition :)
@stig_hooligan

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Anonymous said...

To all the fuck heads. Anything is possible. How are we going to be the only species in the ''UNIVERSE'' that can talk or live on an ''earth'' like planet. There's over thousands of solar systems. How are we the only ones. The ancients believed in many God's. All which are the same almost. How do we know that they aren't just different species from other solar systems. That human race is to ignorant to realize it is possible. Most humans can't take a joke or even to stuck up their own ass to be open minded enough to take in that things might be possible. if religion is possible and this God that you speak of is real. Then should he have made other ''expierments'' like the human race. Wouldn't any scientist do so? And don't try to disclaim that because man is mad in God's image. Therefore we think somewhat like God. And we can bring Darwinism into this also. What if a certain lizard race evolved before we evolved. There are to many explanations and evidence to proclaim that it is real or fake. It's up to the people to decide. And maybe one say we will find solid evidence to close this conspiracy.

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Darrow said...

Doctor Who and the Silurians from the early 70's. Where it all came from guys right down to the three claws and the third Red "Killer" eye. Its fiction guys, I used to be wrapped up with Icke a few years ago and he doesn't believe a word of it himself and thinks Mutwa is full of crap but in his words "It sells lots of books though".

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Subha Raajesh _ BoA said...

I just gave birth to a Reptilian baby.

Anonymous said...

This thread is very interesting and I've read nearly every comment. There's a lot of negativity felt on here and its interesting because you're probably the first person that would ask for a "world peace" yet you can't open your mind and heart to different concept. There's no imaginable way that we, as humans, can be the only ones in our universe. On that same note, there's no way that we are "alone" on our planet. Our planet has millions of different of species of similar creatures from water to air so why should humans be the only exception? I don't believe it. Reptilian, human, yellow, or slimy I believe there are several versions of how we appear. But look at how this world treats people when they're different. That girl has an eye higher than the other so she's different and therefore ridiculed (maybe not by all, but by most). That guy over there has a speach impediment and twitched and he too is made fun of and outcasted (again, by most). Those examples are just the cusp of what humans can not handle which is acceptance and tolerance. I'm not religious in any way I just use my heart with my brain which a lot of people have forgotten to do these days. If reptilians exist that's awesome but I fang blame them for not "exposing" themselves. Honestly, if you saw someone "transform" you would freak out and run crying and alert the media. Why would they want to put themselves through that? They would just be another "science project" or a "freak of nature" and that's why they blend in with us. Good. For their sanity/peace of mind I hope they stay hidden. Were not ready nor worthy to know such things. Instead, complain about everything even when you run out of something to complain about (which you'll complain about anyway), watch your news and reality shows (because that's the "real world" right?), believe what you're told and how you should act, live and breathe just like "they" want you too. Start pointing the finger at ourselves instead of those that are different and maybe one day we can put our big boy pants on and accept the truths. I hope for this planets sake there is an awakening because it surely needs it. I love life but I can't stand ignorant stupidity.

Incidentally I'm sure somebody's gonna have something to say about my comment at one point or another and that's fine. This is my point of view which will not be changed and I'm just hoping maybe you'll save your breath, time, and energy from making another negative statement in this world.

Thanks,
- B

Anonymous said...

Thank you -B
-Voodoochile00

Anonymous said...

Looonies!!!! bunch of lunatics. Those who started this blog must be suffering from schizophrenia.

Anonymous said...

the illuminati is behind most major world events. etan patz killer was found 33 years TO THE DAY he went missing. yup, the guy turned himself in on a cold case murder exactly 33 years from when it happened. illuminati33. who does that??

also strange - the pakistani doctor who helped the cia find bin laden (if you actually believe bin laden ever existed) - 33 years in prison... who came up with 33? why why why.

Anonymous said...

Humans and reptilians are distant cousins. They were created by the Anunnaki injecting their DNA in to the dinosaurs, or do you not believe in dinosaurs either. They (Anunnaki) also injected their DNA into early man to help evolution along. They (reptilians) have the ability to possess humans, you are most open to them when under the influence. Think about it, have you ever done something that seems completely out of character when drunk! Well that's because you are left wide open to possession when drunk. I have gone through it and it took me years to figure out what was happening. They (reptilians) are not as powerful as you think. I saw one materialize in my living room one night (I was not drunk) I have not drank for years now, I did not flip out, I just held up my hand and called upon Christ and said to it "your presence is not welcomed here GO!", and it dematerialized. It was hunched over and was still hitting the top of my ceiling it must have been 9 ft tall.
You can take it or leave it but I assure you I am telling you the truth.

Anonymous said...

Wow! And here I am debating what detergent to use...

Anonymous said...

new witness,do you really think our creator would leave us open to extinction,these creatures have over stepped their welcome GOD is angry,Isiah You have spilled righteous blood now feel the wrath of Gods anger it is written.Gods Angels will protect us you only have to ask they will show you a sign you will beleive.We were given free will open your mind us humans have gifts and spirits usefull to our cause we are not as stupid and vulnerable as we have been made to beleive.God bless and protect us all.

Anonymous said...

WTF is going on. I'm new (couple of months) into the alien/ufo thing. Born and raised a christian. My whole world is crashing down around me. My identity, who I am. NOW THIS. Reptilians. WTF. Yet, I find myself strangely compelled to seek out more info about it all. If this is true, I need to know how to protect myself and my family. Puts spiritual warfare on a whole new level.

shay said...

the point is we have all been heavily conditioned, dont believe everything you read or hear especially when it comes to news and history haha actually believe very little of it. even when it comes to subjects like this, not every conspiracy theory is true.
life itself is only an illusion, the only thats real is your conciousness and god

Desmondiva said...

Just thought I'd chime in to this conversation going on since 2008. A family member is telling me they have had experiences with aliens at night. I'm thinking it is the "greys"... after doing some searching, I got a feeling that these beings are here to help us protect sustainability (resources, etc.). Reading today that the reptilians are actually protecting us from the greys... I am confused. Maybe it is too limited of thinking to say one is good the other bad. Are there others? (other types of beings on our planet, besides greys and reptilians?) I do believe in angels... (I am open minded to hidden beings, and the conspiracies, or perhaps it is all in our minds...) Even so, just as with everything, there are always many shades of grey. Good intentions and bad intentions in all entities, be it government, corporations, aliens, reptilians, and other realms... it must be a universal truth.

Now, onto the comment from the reptilian who talked about dependent meat! If you are reading this... I would LOVE to ask you some questions. I read on a spiritual blog once that humanity has a meat karma debt to pay...? I couldn't help to think of that when reading your comment. Thank you for being kind towards humans.

Just seeking truth...

Peace, light and love!
Jen

Grub said...

I want to put this for your consideration. As free thinking individuals open to possibilities we know that reptiles were here on earth before man i.e dinosaurs. Earth like planets are at a premium and a resource necessary for the survival of our species as well as reptilians. We call these reptilian humanoids aliens from another planet but let us consider that we are the aliens from another planet.

We know the Sun will die out one day forcing us to move on to another planet with a young star in the goldilocks zone. This is a resource worth fighting for because they are so rare. We came here after the prior planet on which we lived was no longer habitable. We found the reptilians in all their forms including the humanoid who were the masters we are today.

The humanoids being smarter hid perhaps underground knowing they could not fight us and win. MAn tried to dwell with the others but they were too large and numerous that it was not conducive for humanity. Seeing this we exterminated them using advanced weapons like nuclear etc. That is why dinosaur bones are painted in lead because they are radioactive.

Bringing us back to the reptilian humanoids. Seeing us slaughter the kith and kin have been plotting to retake the planet they once occupied alone.

You and i would likely do the same if this hapened to us. Let us consider how pious we really are. If Americans could accept that their economic policy is in fact their military policy thier calls for no war and imperialism would mean that they would have forgo the advanced life they live in comparison to many nations.

Would they accept a third world status i.e electricity shortages, water shortages, high infant mortality rates, poor living standards, hunger etc if it meant that their government would not war with other nations to secure their resources?

Much like a human against killing animals yet loves meat. My point of the last few paragraphs is we don't know what's good for us

Anonymous said...

If your serious about this I have quistions mabey you can answer if you will...im a medicine man or shaman as u may call it and I've heard theories and I know alot of elders that have passed on knowledge of existance of lizard ppl but I am seeking answers u may be able to answer

Anonymous said...

i belive in shapeshifters last night i was having sex with a model who i picked upin a bar but when i woke up this morning she had shapeshifted into a creature from the abyss

LizClayton said...

this was handy, i have a friend who is always going on about reptilians and conspiracies so i thought i would do some research and see what it's all about. and now its like the more i find out i want to know more about the subject.

Anonymous said...

Weed dont make u see shit or think crazy thoughts u weirdo any more then a dam ciggerette would

Anonymous said...

Well said!

Anonymous said...

Absolutly 100% true, well put!

Anonymous said...

Not that i belive his story cause i dont but ,He didnt missspell 1 word u fuckin moron lmao lololol wow u just made ur self look so stupid why would u say that without makin sure he atleast mispelled sumthing what a fuckin retard u are lol its ppl like u that crack me up an btw who gives a fuck how ppl spell it dont mean shit some of the most brilliant minds were horrible spellers

Anonymous said...

Well said, i agree 100% with everything litteraly took the thoughts out of my head, ignorance and fear truely are the number one elements of controll and keep most of society enslaved to the status quo and self serving "ego"(energy goes out)

Anonymous said...

I saw one at a traffic light . He waved his hand in front of his face and was a lizard and waved it again and was a person . I never told anyone for 10 + years until recently when i discovered i was not the only person to see them.

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Anonymous said...

Note: The following is a Step-by-Dtep disproval Instruction of 98% of all "Proof Videos" out there. Also, some Thoughts of mine before I get to the Point.

I'm sorry, Guys, my Life's boring just as much as yours is, and while there indeed is crazy Stuff going on in our World, it's all down-to-Earth Man-made. With all due Respect to your Abhorrence towards Humanities' Ability to be Assholes... while thinking every bad Thing in Human History was the Fault of some Alien Beings disguised as Humans may be tranquillizing [or is it?] regarding the Human Race, it's just that: Blaming Humanities' Problems on someone/something else.

Also, all the so-called "Evidence" so far is nothing but plain Video Distortion.

1) Green-ish Skin.
News frequently use so-called Greenscreens for the Background. That's for the Issue of Skin [and Clothes!] to turn transparent-ish or greenish at Times. Look it up, please.

2) The Tongue.
Sometimes, even out-of-Sync Audio turns into being "proof" of Lizard Tongues. How can the Tongue move like this while Speaking? Well, actually it doesn't. It's Time Dilation in the digital Video Feed. What you're seeing is People licking their Lips like even you do sometimes between Words/Sentences, especially on hot Summer Days.

2) The Eyes.
Often blinking, two strange white Dots on the Pupils, which cover up the otherwise perfectly round Pupils and with lots of Imagination, apparently, make them look like Alligator Eyes. Nope. That's two Studio Spotlights in front of them. Especially in Greenscreens. Studio Spotlights are fuckin' bright, and hot. That would make even you blink alot, as well as dry your Lips, so you'll stick out your Tongue more often.

3) Video Artifacts. [Eyes, Tongue, Skin again]
Digitalized Video and especially live Transmission of such heavily relies on Equipment and Network Connection. Also, it's being compressed to be streamed live, as well. That means loss of Quality. Losing FPS, seemingly making fast-moving Stuff "teleport in" suddenly, and pixelating Issues do araise quite often as well, and so called Video Artifacts happen. These are Parts and whole Areas of the Video, where the current Video Information is plain missing. It got cut during Transmission Delays on the Net most likely, though there are local Bottlenecks as well [even high CPU Usage can be enough].

Now, Tech is trying to be smart here though, so instead of displaying these Areas of missing Video Information as actually being blank, Computers will either freeze the whole Screen, skipping these incomplete Frames alltogether, or try to fill these missing Parts with the Data from the last few Frames. In the Case of a static Background, this works out quite nicely most of the Time. If it's the moving Face however, it's causing Conspiracy Theories about Shapeshifters from non-Tech-savvy People. Well, obviously.

Uploading Video to Youtube means converting and compressing, as well. If you're lucky [or rather unlucky?] you can witness this yourself. Just get a very cheap Video Freeware, and convert and compress Video to a smaller Format. 500MB .AVI Video to 20MB .FLV can produce Artefacts in the .FLV if there is Movement.


Well, that being said... I know, People who chose to believe in this Stuff obviously don't understand the Tech behind the News and Video Recording and Digitalizing. Further more, I won't make any of these stop believing with this Post. But I myself found this whole Phenomenon of the Masses to be kinda Disturbing. Which lead me to writing this, so others who may not know the Tech and therefore having no Explanation of what they see don't have to be scared by anything else than the plain Phenomenon of the Masses believing in this Stuff.


The Comclusion:
In medieval Times, Medicine was Proof of Sorcery.
In modern Times, digital Video is Proof of Spacelizards.
Because some People simply do not understand.

Speak2me207@yahoo.com said...

I totally agree. I think the reptilian shapeshifters, are the fallen angels, and smoking pot or in any altered state, you cross into another realm.and see how others really appear

Britny Kibler said...

Look, guys, you don't have to bash the guy who wrote this. It doesn't mean he believes in such a laughable concept, he merely gathered the stories available and did a little research of his own. That has nothing to do with being gullible.

Anonymous said...

Look, first of all we are not flesh eating monsters and we don't drink your blood. We are not extraterrestrial, we've been on earth longer than you guys. We do have people in high posts of your governments and also no we do not plan to enslave you. You already work for us. On additional notes we cannot change shape, we have a genetic camouflage wich makes us look like humans, we are genetically and mentally superior your race and we have yellowish eyes. With love the reptilian community. :)

Anonymous said...

Dude, just want to clarify that we would kick your ass if it ever came to war between our species. Btw we evolved from the dinosaurs in order to survive the ice age. You guys evolved from the mammals.

Anonymous said...

Evolution !!!

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